Wednesday, March 25, 2026

Vintage GUERLAIN perfumes and batch codes: a guide.



Raiders of the Lost Scent vintage Guerlain



A complete guide to Guerlain perfumes, from vintage classics to modern creations, covering historical periods, boxes, bottles, labels, and all the details you need to identify authentic Guerlain fragrances.

*****Originally published in 2013; 
fully updated on 2026 with new insights and photos*****

This article is about Guerlain Perfumes. Historic advertisements and Images posted for purely informative and historical purposes. All rights belong to their legitimate owners.


Among the great perfume houses, none presents the enthusiast and collector with a more intricate documentary landscape than Guerlain. This guide examines the full arc of Guerlain's material history, from the packaging of the 1950s to the transitional years of the early 21st century, with particular attention to boxes, labels, batch codes, and the typographical and regulatory markers that allow the informed observer to date and authenticate a Guerlain fragrance with reasonable precision.

The task is not a simple one. Over the course of its long history, Guerlain employed a succession of coding systems, combining letters and numerals to record the year and month of manufacture. These systems were neither consistent across the entire range nor always applied uniformly, which means that packaging must be read as a whole: box design, labels, batch code, and launch date considered in concert rather than in isolation. I would suggest referring to the photos for guidance. In this case, a picture is worth a thousand words.


The importance of the boxes.

Let's start!
(SEE TUTORIAL PICTURES BELOW)

First to consider is the Blue "ribbon" boxes : 1950s

Then the Dot (or Coffee Beans") Boxes: = 1960s until 1967

The Black&White "ZigZag" boxes = from 1967 until 1983.

Since end of Seventies, the Estimated Sign appeared on all Guerlain boxes, so:
when we see a Black&White "ZigZag" box with the Estimated Sign, it means, approximatively = ending of Seventies / beginning of Eighties (until 1983).

After 1983 "ZigZag" boxes are not "Black&White" anymore; but made by different colors, mostly  "Black&Gold".

The "Black&Gold" ZigZag Boxes were used (with partial dismission since year 1996) until 2008 at latest, then replaced with the "pastel" ones.


However, it is important to notice that:
1- NOT all Guerlain perfumes adopted the same type boxes, and:
2- several perfumes changed different boxes during 1983-2008 (a 25 years-span),
so the situation is really complicate.

Short on time? A single glance at the box will often suffice: the absence of a barcode places the piece before 1990, and for most purposes, that alone is enough to confirm its vintage status.

For those who wish to go further: look for the extended ingredients listing. If it is missing, the fragrance predates 2004-2005 and with it, the sweeping regulatory reforms that would permanently alter the composition of nearly every classic in the Guerlain catalogue.



BOXES at a glance....

Fifties (1950s) : blue "ribbon" boxes 
vintage Guerlain "ribbon" blue boxes, until beginning of 1960s



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From end-of-Fifties, until 1967: 
the "dots" or "coffee beans" box.
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Raiders of the Lost Scent vintage Guerlain


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From 1967 to 1984/5:
the black&white ZigZag box.
(in a few cases used until 1995, with different colors)
Raiders of the Lost Scent vintage boxes 1967-1984


Guerlain vintage "zg-zag" boxes, years 1967-1984


but please note:

Raiders of the Lost Scent vintage Guerlain boxes years 1967-1984
if the back of the box is regular, without any square,
 then: years 1968-1979

vintage Guerlain "zig-zag" boxes years 1967-1984
if the back of the box contains a white square, 
then: years 1980-1984 


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From 1984 until 1999
The Black&Gold box
(in a few cases used until 2007)
vintage Guerlain boxes, years 1984-1999

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From 2000 to 2007 

the Twin-G Logo boxes.

vintage Guerlan boxes, years 2000-2007


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2007-2016: the "plain" boxes

 with a small circular logo

vintage Guerlain boxes years 2007-2016



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A note on stickers: those found on boxes and bottles can be a reliable dating tool for fragrances produced before 1976. See the dedicated section here

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Curious about reformulations? From 2004 onward, the formula number has appeared on every Guerlain box :a discreet but invaluable tool for tracing compositional changes across successive versions. Full guide here

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Decoding Vintage Batch Codes

In the classic batch code system, the first character always represents the year and the second always represents the month. Two separate sets of letters are used: 10 letters for the years, and 12 letters for the months. When reading a batch code, only the first two characters matter.


Vintage Guerlain batch codes


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(from 1976 until 1980): 8 or 9 DIGITS
if the first letter is..... then.....
P= 1976
S= 1977
V= 1978
D= 1979
M=1980
(from 1981 until 1983): at least 6 digits
if the first letter is:
U = 1981
Z = 1982
J =  1983
(The second letter indicates the month, according the following scheme: H=January, E=February, B=March, X=April, T=May, K=June, L=July, N=August, F=September, R=October, A=November, C=December)

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(from 1984 to 1995) :  6 or 7 digits
if the first letter is:
Y = 1984
W =1985 (example: WB 6AA 1)
P = 1986
S = 1987 (example: SA 4BC 1)
V = 1988
D = 1989
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At this stage, the BARCODE appears on the box
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M = 1990 (example: MH 3AA 2)
U = 1991
Z = 1992  (example ZX 4BB 1)
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At this stage, the GREEN DOT appears on the box
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J = 1993
Y = 1994
W = 1995
(The second letter is the month, according the same scheme, so: H=January, E=February, B=March, X=April, T=May, K=June, L=July, N=August, F=September, R=October, A=November, C=December)


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(from 1995 to 2001) :  5 digits
if the first letter is:
P = 1996 (example: PE A D2)
S = 1997 (example SX A S1)
V = 1998 (example VR 0 VS)
D = 1999 (example DB 0 RS)
M = 2000 (example MH 1 RP)
U = 2001 (example UT 0K 1)
(The second letter is a month according the same scheme, so:
H=January, E=February, B=March, X=April, T=May, K=June, L=July, N=August, F=September, R=October, A=November, C=December)


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The modern batch codes (since 2002)

(from 2002 to 2007) : 4 digits 
starting with a number and a letter from the 1st half of alphabet (A-to-M), so:
2 = 2002 ( e.g. 2J02, but there are very few bottles with the old 5digits batch )
3 = 2003 (e.g. 3B01)
4 = 2004
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Here the LONG LIST of Ingredients appears on the box
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5 = 2005 (e.g. 5C01)
6 = 2006 (e.g. 6D02)
7 = 2007

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SINCE 2008 to 2017 : 4 digits starting with a number and a letter from the 2nd half of alphabet (N-to-Z) 

8 = 2008 (example 8R01)
9 = 2009 (example 9W02)
0 = 2010
1 = 2011 (example 1T01)
2 = 2012
3 = 2013 (example 3N01)
4 = 2014
5 = 2015 (example 5P02)
6 = 2016
7 = 2017 (example 7R01)

then in 2018, the cycle repeats: 4 digits starting with a number and a letter from the 1st half of alphabet (A-to-M), so:
8=2018 (example: 8F01)
9=2019 etc.

Now you can go directly to "Tutorial pics" below.


(I would want to thank all people from Parfumo and Basenotes for helping me with all these numbers, plus "MonsieurGuerlain2", "GuerlainPerfumeBottles", and other people I don't know their name. I'll be happy to add their names on every picture and reference, on request)  


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 TUTORIAL PICS

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1976 (starting with "P")
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Guerlain, vintage batch codes, year 1976
Vol de Nuit, old sticker with "new" batch
PFxxxxxx = year 1976


Vintage Guerlain batch codes, year 1976, blue sticker.
Parure, old sticker with "new" batchcode
PTxxxxxx = year 1976
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1977 (starting with "S")
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Vintage Guerlain "Parure", year 1977, zig-zag box

Vintage Guerlain Zig-Zag box, old sticker year 1977
 Parure
batch SB:xxxx= YEAR 1977, March.

Vintage Guerlain Zig-Zag box, old batch codes, year 1977
Chamade,
batch SXxxxxx = year 1977
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1979 (starting with "D")
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Vintage Guerlain batch codes, year 1979
Mitsouko Extrait
batch DE 0104BB1 = February, 1979

Guerlain Parure, old batch codes, zig-zag box, year 1979.
Parure
batch DKxxxx = June, 1979
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1980 ( starting with "M")
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Raiders of the Lost Scent
batch MF 1056CE1 = 1980, September



Guerlain Nahema,  old batch codes, year 1980
Nahema, batch MLxxxxxxx = year 1980

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1981 (starting with "U")
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Guerlain Vol de Nuit, old batch codes year 1981
Vol de Nuit, Parfum
batch UKxxxxx = year 1981
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1982 (starting with "Z")
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Vintage Guerlain batch codes, year 1982
batch  ZX 1IA1 = April, 1982

Raiders of the Lost Scent vintage Guerlain year 1982
(from Ebay) batch ZF2FD7 = October, 1982

Vintage Guerlain batch codes, year 1982
Chamade, special edition, Silver&White ZigZag box,
 "Copyright 1980", batch ZB 1HC3 = March, 1982
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1983 (starting with "J")
New Black&Gold boxes appear
Old B&W ZigZag boxes fading out
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Vintage Guerlain batch codes, year 1983
(from Ebay) Mitsouko
  batch JC 3HB6 =  year 1983.
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1984 ( starting with "Y")
old B&W ZigZag boxes finally discontinued.
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Vintage Guerlain batch codes, year 1984
Vol De Nuit, old box discontinued in 1983, but used until end of stocks
batch YB 4BA2 = March, 1984

Raiders of the Lost Scent vintage Guerlain batch codes, year 1984
Chamade, old discontinued box still used,
batch YK 3HC1 = June 1984


Vintage Guerlain batch codes, year 1984
NAHEMA (brown zigzag bottle, copyright 1979)
batch YH3EA1 = year 1984

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-Courtesy by Rubegon (Basenotes)-
"Derby", Copyright 1983, launched in 1985
 Batch = YC 4BB 2
December 1984: very early production.


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1985 ( starting with "W")
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Vintage Guerlain batch codes, year 1985
Shalimar
batch WT 5DA8 = year 1985


Vintage Guerlain batch codes, year 1985
Shalimar, box without EAN bar-code
batch WE SAE1 = February, 1985 


Guerlain vintage 1985
Vintage Guerlain batch codes, year 1985
Mitsouko
batch WK 5DA1 = June 1985


Vintage Guerlain batch codes, year 1985
Very rare old zigzag box 
with a year 1985 batch
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1986 (6 digits, starting with "P")
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Vintage Guerlain batch codes, year 1986
Mitsouko
batch PK... = year 1986


Vintage Guerlain batch codes, year 1986
Vetiver EdC
batch PRxxxx = year 1986


Raiders of the Lost Scent: Vintage Guerlain batch codes, year 1986
"Eau de Guerlain", box "Copyright Guerlain 1983",
batch codes: PK 6AC1=  year 1986
SN 7AD 2= year 1987

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1987 (6 digits starting with "S")
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Vintage Guerlain batch codes, year 1987
Derby
batch SCxxxx = year 1987
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1988 (6 digits, starting with "V")
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Vintage Guerlain batch codes, year 1988
Mitsouko, Parfum
batch VX 8AA3 = April, 1988

Vintage Guerlain batch codes, year 1988
Eau de Cologne Imperiale
batch VH 7EA8 = year 1988

Vintage Guerlain batch codes, year 1988
Eau de Cologne Imperiale
batch VT 8AA2 = May, 1988
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1989 ( 6 digits, starting with "D" )
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Vintage Guerlain batch codes, year 1989
(Thanks to Vincenzo Giordano) Nahema
 DA 9BC3 = November, 1989

Vintage Guerlain batch codes, year 1989
Vol de Nuit,
batch DA 9BC5 = November, 1989

Vintage Guerlain batch codes, year 1989
Nahema, copyright 1982,
batch DX 8BB12 = April, 1989

Vintage Guerlain batch codes, year 1989
Vetiver, Eau de Cologne
batch  DT 9BB2 = May, 1989
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1989-1990: EAN barcode 
appears on the boxes 

here is an example of EAN Barcode:
Vintage Guerlain , the bar-code appears in 1990

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1990 ( 6 digits, starting with "M")
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Raiders of the Lost Scent - Vintage Guerlain batch codes, year 1990
Chamade with EAN barcode
 MH 9DA6, = January, 1990 

Raiders of the Lost Scent - Vintage Guerlain batch codes, year 1990
(from Ebay) Habit Rouge, 
MH 0AA1= January 1990

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(from Ebay) MF 0BB 8 (6 digits starting with MF)
= September, 1990

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1991 ( 6 digits, starting with "U" )
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Raiders of the Lost Scent Vintage Guerlain batch codes, year 1991
Habit Rouge
batch UR 1FA 1 = year 1991

Vintage Guerlain batch codes, year 1991
Eau de Guerlain
batch UA 1CA2 = November, 1991

Vintage Guerlain batch codes, year 1991
Samsara,
batch UA 1GA3 = November, 1991
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1992 ( 6 digits, starting with "Z" )
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Vintage Guerlain batch codes, year 1992
Shalimar, EdC "montre" bottle
batch ZF 2BD 3 = September, 1992

Raiders of the Lost  Scent, Vintage Guerlain batch codes, year 1992
Habit Rouge
batch ZF2BB1 = September, 1992

Raiders of the Lost Scent, Vintage Guerlain batch codes, year 1992
Heritage EDT 
ZK 2CE2= June, 1992 
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1993 (6 digits, starting with "J")
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(from Ebay) Jicky, refillable bottle 
batch JB 2DC7 = March, 1993


Eau du Coq
batch  JX 2GA5 = April, 1992

Raiders of the Lost Scent
(Courtesy by Rubegon) 
Heritage,  batch JK 2118 = June, 1993

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1994 (6 digits, starting with "Y")
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Guerlain old bottles and vintage batch codes, year 1994
Samsara, Parfum, special edition "Metorites"
batch  YC 4EF4 = December, 1994

Guerlain old bottles and vintage batch codes, year 1994
Petit Guerlain, 
batch YK 4AB1 = June, 1994

Guerlain old bottles and vintage batch codes, year 1994
Eau de Cologne imperiale,
batch YE 4AA 1 = February, 1994

Guerlain old bottles and vintage batch codes, year 1994
Chant d'Aromes, 30ml special edition
batch YC 4HA4 = December, 1994
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1995 ( 6 digits, starting with "W")
it's the last year with 6-digits batches
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Guerlain old bottles and vintage batch codes, year 1995
"Un Air de Samsara"
batch WB 5AC2 = March, 1995

Guerlain old bottles and vintage batch codes, year 1995
Parure, 30 ml special edition
batch  WK 5CA1 = June, 1995

Guerlain old bottles and vintage batch codes, year 1995
Un Air de Samsara, launched in 1995:
code starting with WF, year 1995


Guerlain old bottles and vintage batch codes, year 1995
Un Air de Samsara, launched in 1995,
batch number starting with WH = year 1995


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1996-2001: 
5-digits batches
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1996 ( 5 digits, starting with "P")
it's the first year with 5-digits batches
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Guerlain old bottles and vintage batch codes, year 1995
Habit Rouge, year 1996: first time 5-digits batches


Guerlain old bottles and vintage batch codes, year 1996
(Courtesy by Dofa91 Ville). Heritage,
batch PH 1F2 = January, 1996


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1997 ( 5 digits, starting with "S")
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Heritage EDT,
batch SX0W3 = April, 1997


Guerlain old bottles and vintage batch codes, year 1997
-Courtesy by Luca del Forno- Champs Elysèes
batch code SA 1C9 = November, 1997
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1998 ( 5 digits, starting with "V")
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Guerlain old bottles and vintage batch codes, year 1998
(from Ebay) Heritage:
 batch VRxxx = October, 1998

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Coriolan , "Copyright 1997"
"VR 2LO"  = October, 1998.

Guerlain old bottles and vintage batch codes, year 1998
Vetiver, Copyright 1996, 
batch VR 1S1 = October, 1998

Raiders of the Lost Scent Guerlain old bottles and vintage batch codes, year 1998
Coriolan EDT,
 "VR 0 VR"
= October, 1998

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1999 (5 digits, starting with "D")
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Guerlain old bottles and vintage batch codes, year 1999
Belle Epoque (limited edition)
batch DX0VD = April, 1999



Guerlain old bottles and vintage batch codes, year 1999
Guet-Apens
batch DR18E = October, 1999


Guerlain old bottles and vintage batch codes, year 1999
Vetiver
batch DK 0BR = June, 1999

Raiders of the Lost Scent Guerlain old bottles and vintage batch codes, year 1999
Vetiver
batch DB 0FS = March, 1999

Raiders of the Lost Scent, Guerlain old bottles and vintage batch codes, year 1999
Shalimar, 
Batch DT 0N2 = May 1999


Guerlain old bottles and vintage batch codes, year 1999
Shalimar
batch DK 0KP = June, 1999
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2000 (5 digits, starting with "M")
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Guerlain old bottles and vintage batch codes, year 2000
(from Ebay) Vol de Nuit
MT12N = year 2000

Raiders of the Lost Scent Guerlain old bottles and vintage batch codes, year 2000
Mahora EDP, 
MF 0MB= September, 2000

Guerlain old bottles and vintage batch codes, year 2000
Meteorites, EdT
batch MB11Y = March, 2000

Guerlain old bottles and vintage batch codes, year 2000
Cherry Blossom
batch MT113 = May, 2000



Guerlain old bottles and vintage batch codes, year 2000
Metallica,
batch MR0K6 = October, 2000
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2001 ( 5 digits, starting with "U" )
it's the last  year with 5-digits batches
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Raiders of the Lost Scent Guerlain old bottles and vintage batch codes, year 2001
Coriolan
"UT 01K" = May, 2001


Guerlain old bottles and vintage batch codes, year 2001
Jicky, Parfum, black&gold box
batch UE 1JC = Februeary, 2001

Guerlain old bottles and vintage batch codes, year 2001
Habit Rouge, special edition
batch UL 2G0 = July, 2001

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SINCE 2002: 
4-digits batch code
2002-2007: letters A-to-M
since 2008: letters N-to-Z
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Guerlain old bottles and vintage batch codes, year 2002
VERY RARE bottle
Habit Rouge year 2002 with the old 5-digits batch
ZE 1CN = February, 2002

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2002-2007:  4 digits, letters A-to-M
A= January, B=February, C= March, D=April, etc.
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2002 
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Raiders of the Lost Scent
2J01 =  year 2002

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2004
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Guerlain old bottles and vintage batch codes, year 2004
Habit Rouge
batch 4K03 = year 2004
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Since 2005: 
list of allergens/ingredients on the box
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2005
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Chamade, batch 5E01 = year 2005


Raiders of the Lost Scent
Lilia Bella,
batch 5C01 = March, 2005

Guerlain old bottles and vintage batch codes, year 2005
L'Instant pour femme
batch 5E01 = year 2005

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2006
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Guerlain old bottles and vintage batch codes, year 2006
Purple Fantasy
Batch 6D01 = year 2006



Guerlain old bottles and vintage batch codes, year 2006
Aqua Allegoria "Herba Fresca"
batch 6Q01 = year 2006
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2007
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Guerlain old bottles and vintage batch codes, year 2007
Vol de Nuit Evasion
batch 7G01 = year 2007


Guerlain old bottles and vintage batch codes, year 2007
Aqua Allegoria Pamplelune
batch 7M01 = year 2007
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since 2008 ( letters from N-to-Z)
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2008
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Guerlain old bottles and vintage batch codes, year 2008
Aqua Allegoria Figue-Iris
batch 8N01 = year 2008
Guerlain old bottles and vintage batch codes, year 2008
Samsara EdT
batch 8X01 = year 2008
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2009
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Guerlain old bottles and vintage batch codes, year 2009
Vetiver
batch 9X01 = year 2009

Champs Elysees
batch 9V01 = year 2009

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2010
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L'Instant de Guerlain pour Homme
batch 0Z01 = 2010, December

Guerlain old bottles and vintage batch codes, year 2010
Samsara EdT
batch 0S01 = year 2010
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2011
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Guerlain old bottles and vintage batch codes, year 2011
Shalimar
batch 1T01 = year 2011

Raiders of the Lost Scent Guerlain old bottles and vintage batch codes, year 2011
"Jasminora", launched in 2011 as limited edition
1Q01 = year 2011
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2012
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Guerlain old bottles and vintage batch codes, year 2012
La Petite Robe Noire
batch 2R01 = year 2012

Guerlain old bottles and vintage batch codes, year 2012
Idylle Eau Sublime
batch 2P01 = year 2012
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2013
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Guerlain old bottles and vintage batch codes, year 2013
La Petite Robe Noire Eau Parfumee
batch 3X01 = year 2013
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2014
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Guerlain old bottles and vintage batch codes, year 2014
L'Instant pour Femme
batch 4N01 = year 2014

Guerlain old bottles and vintage batch codes, year 2014
La Petite Robe Noire
batch 4X02 = year 2014
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2015
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Guerlain old bottles and vintage batch codes, year 2015
La Petite Robe Noire
batch 5N01 = January, 2015
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since 2017 ( letters from A-to-M)
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Guerlain batch codes, 0K01 = year 2020 (Raiders of the Lost Scent)
L'Heure Bleue,batch 0K01 = year 2020



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36 comments:

  1. Great Information to buy online

    Perfumes
    .. I am waiting for your next post

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  2. hello,

    I have a question, if my box has no batch numbers nor does my bottle, which si a recharge vaporisateur of Mitsouko, should I assume that it is a fake?

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    1. if the perfume smells like Mitsouko, with a longevity of about 4-5 hours at least.....well, it's authentic.
      However, sometimes labels on bottle could have been removed (phenomenon of "grey market")
      It's strange not to see any code on the box, too.

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  3. i got a box today, at a closth cleaning, boxed and wel, there is the 5m01, its mitsouko edt bath numer also on the bottel,
    under the box its also written in arabic? is that fake? even the smell is not for 4 hours on my arm.

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    1. Hi sapphire,
      it's year 2005, it should be a "yellow and gold" box.
      Yes, there are arabic letters on the bottom of the box. apparently it's not a fake.

      Delete
  4. Thank you adre for the answer :-)

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  5. Hi ,I've got a 7,5 ml 6 digit Shalimar ,without the box.I have a big questionmark regarding the way it was sealed: instead of the usual cord it had a small transparent plastic around the neck.Is this seal in fact a fake one,did they ever put a plastic collar instead of a cord ?
    Please help me solve the mystery.
    Thank you !!!!!

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    1. Yes! Many perfumes had a small "plastic collar" around the bottle. Enjoy your Shalimar!

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  6. Thank you ! I would have enjoyed as is in a past life ,when beeing an arab , but in this one I will need to combine it to transform it in a feminine scent :-) .
    It's rather suitable for an english governess type of person.

    A big THANK YOU to your work and efforts !

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  7. Hi Andre , I am trying to locate in time another Guerlain:ZB1CB4 in a golden zig-zag box ,pre barcode and with no double G logo.
    Please help me out this time again.
    Merci Beaucoup !!!!

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    1. Hi, it *could* be March 1992. Producers used often old boxes until end of stocks, applying the barcode on the cellophane. You could have hints by the shape of the bottle, too.

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  8. Thank you.
    It's the golden cilindrical canister,refillable of course.
    93ml

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  9. This has been a really helpful blog post. I am new to collecting and knowing what to look for with the codes allowed me to avoid purchases where the item was described as vintage, but the batch was within the last decade. Thank you!

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  10. hi there,
    i did read about Samsara extrait de parfum in bottels of 15-35ml
    i have a bottle of 30ml extrait de parfum, code yn 4cd 2, even i did look around the web, i can not believe it is not real,,, even i don't know what year it may have been. any idea if it is real or not?
    thanks in advance

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    1. Hi Sapphire, batch 4Cd2 = year 2004.
      Extrait bottles of with an amount of "30 ml" are perfectly legit.
      cheers, Laura

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    2. Hello,

      After learning that Shalimar Parfum Initial is being discontinued last month, I purchased 4 bottles from Amazon.

      The cellophane on the outer boxes didn't seem fully adhered.

      The box and the appearance of the bottles seemed normal. The code on the bottom is 3Y01.

      I opened two of the four bottles. One cap seemed oddly loose.

      The longevity seemed to be 30 minutes. Very short-lived!

      It didn't have the same beautiful scent I experienced with previous bottles.

      I got itchy and red where I sprayed it on my neck.

      So, my question is: have you heard of people using genuine/authentic boxes and perfume bottles, and, filling them with fake/counterfeit perfumes?

      Thank you in advance for your consideration and for sharing your thoughts

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  11. I guess that Guerlain startet using letters A-M again from 2018 on since I do have a L'Heure Bleue EdT with batch code 8A01 and formula 11153 (2017+) and a Shalimar EdC with batch code 8J01.

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  12. My cousin recommended this blog and she was totally right keep up the fantastic work!
    Bulk fragrance oils.

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  13. Hello, I have purchased a bottle of Shalimar EDT in the black and gold "zigzag" or "bamboo" box. The date code on the bottom is 3A01. This would put the date of manufacture at 2003, correct? You said some blue and black boxes were in use up until 2007?

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    1. Exactly! Your black and gold Shalimar box is "year 2003" Greetings, Enzo

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  14. i am looking at a habit rouge 100mL spray bottle with gold sprayer/cap. the tall, "listerine" style of bottle. the box has a bar code. i think the box also has a green dot, but i am not sure. batch code is ZX19D.

    this conflicts with your information because it is a 5-character batch code, but it starts with Z. according to your information, 5char codes start in 1995, but a code starting with Z should be 1992 or 1982.

    can you please advise me on how to date this bottle? thanks

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    1. Hi Gary! your Habit Rouge bottle is OK and batchcode ZX19D means "2002". Actually, Guerlain started the 4-digit code in the middle of 2002, so you can find bottles with the old 5-digits code during 1992. Letter X means "April", so it's "2002, April". Have a nice day! Laura

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  15. Can the vintage of Samsara eau de Perfume be revealed from a 13 digit bar code on the bottom of the box?

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    1. Hi, probably not; numbers in barcodes are usually used for inventary purposes and to identify quantities (30 ml, 50ml, 75 ml etc.) and type of bottles, but not the year of production. Greetings , Laura

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  16. Does this bottle style have a name? This is a 50ml bottle of Shalimar that I am assuming is from the mid 1980s?

    https://i.imgur.com/iEeFICt.jpeg

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    1. Hi Nosey74 I don't know any particular name for that bottle, but I noticed it only during the 80's, the capacity was 30 ml, and the scent was "Derby"; and 50ml for "Shalimar", sold in USA. Greetings, Laura.

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  17. I'm writing to ask if previous vintage editions of Guerlain Paris - L'Heure Bleue bottles had the Guerlain logo on the sprayer (the gold part) at the top, or were there also editions without it? I recently purchased a 50ml bottle of Guerlain Paris - L'Heure Bleue, batch code 6K01 (with a long list of ingredients and a 911M stamp at the end of the list) for my vintage collection. The label with the perfume name on the bottle is more white than yellow like the older versions. I wonder if it's the original :-)

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    1. hi Magdalena, this is a good question! I checked my l'Heure Bleue bottles - all of them absolutely authentic - I can say that half the sprays have the Guerlain logo, and the other half do not.
      So it's perfectly normal to have a spray without the logo.
      and yes, there are white labels instead of yellow ones. That's fine! Laura

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    2. Thank You Laura for the quick answear :-) I'm glad I found Your blog with all those infos about vintage perfumes :-)

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  18. Hello, I inherited a large collection of vintage perfumes & your blog has been invaluable in helping me understand what I've got, thank you. I have a number of Guerlain & have dated them, however I have a question regarding the number on the front of some of the boxes (at the end of the volume info) eg Vetiver 200ml After Shave 1989 has 'No 905', Imperiale EDC 125ml 1992 has 'No 711 BIS', Vol De Nuit 30ml Parfum 1996 has 'No 30147'. These aren't the batch code & they don't look like the formula codes you show near the ingredients list. Are these a different way of showing the formula codes or are they something else entirely please? And are some more rare than others? Thank you so much x

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    1. Hi Sandra, that's a good question! The numbers on the front of the boxes are the "reference numbers" and indicate "type of perfume and the capacity of the bottle". They have nothing to do with formula and batch codes; and are used only for the manufacturer's convenience.

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  19. Thanks for replying so quickly. Here I was thinking (hoping) the number meant something special, especially as the perfume type & ml are on the box in great big writing! Your expertise being shared so freely is much appreciated, enjoy the coffee x

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  21. Hello! I have a bottle of AA Tiare Mimosa. It was created on 2009 and then was discontinued. The batch code on the bottom is MB10F. I have no idea what year and month it is. Would be great to hear your thoughts about it!

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  22. Hi, 5-digits batchcodes were used between middle of 1995 and beginning of 2002. "MB10F" means exactly "Year 2000, March". So, there must be something wrong somewhere...... Hope this helps! Laura

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Keep in mind that it is nearly impossible to determine whether a perfume is authentic or fake, based on the description alone. It is extremely difficult to tell, even with photographs. Fake or counterfeit perfume manufacturers have reached such a high level of sophistication that it is impossible to determine the authenticity of a perfume without actually holding it in your hands.